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	<title>Comments on: PR: Probably Receding, or Potentially Revitalised?</title>
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	<description>PR blog by Stephen Waddington</description>
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		<title>By: twopointouch &#187; #PRDebate Start Again &#124; twopointouch</title>
		<link>http://www.speedcommunications.com/blogs/wadds/2009/04/21/pr-probably-receding-or-potentially-revitalised/#comment-4533</link>
		<dc:creator>twopointouch &#187; #PRDebate Start Again &#124; twopointouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Steven Waddington published before the debate but agrees &quot;real threat is not the contraction of the industry but the army of new digital agencies that is capitalising on the disruption in the market&quot; [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Steven Waddington published before the debate but agrees &quot;real threat is not the contraction of the industry but the army of new digital agencies that is capitalising on the disruption in the market&quot; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.speedcommunications.com/blogs/wadds/2009/04/21/pr-probably-receding-or-potentially-revitalised/#comment-4532</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 11:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stephen, 

Your observations certainly ring true with my experience of the PR industry. The spend on the printed word is decreasing as they media channels close at a rapid space and advertising (and thus PR) spend is going online. 

Also as Marketing Directors&#039; budgets are being squeezed they are being questioned like never before to justify spend. Online PR provides solid and quantifiable results where as &quot;traditional&quot; PR has always been difficult to quantify for clients. AVE simply will not do any more, where as social media monitoring provides invaluable feedback on campaigns. 

Certainly, advertising, marketing and digital agencies have been quick to occupy OUR space in the online PR market. They are all providing services for blogging, &quot;SEO&quot; optimised press releases, forums (stakeholder comms) and viral campaigns that drive word of mouth online. 

I think that it is time for the PR industry to wake up and smell the coffee....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stephen, </p>
<p>Your observations certainly ring true with my experience of the PR industry. The spend on the printed word is decreasing as they media channels close at a rapid space and advertising (and thus PR) spend is going online. </p>
<p>Also as Marketing Directors&#8217; budgets are being squeezed they are being questioned like never before to justify spend. Online PR provides solid and quantifiable results where as &#8220;traditional&#8221; PR has always been difficult to quantify for clients. AVE simply will not do any more, where as social media monitoring provides invaluable feedback on campaigns. </p>
<p>Certainly, advertising, marketing and digital agencies have been quick to occupy OUR space in the online PR market. They are all providing services for blogging, &#8220;SEO&#8221; optimised press releases, forums (stakeholder comms) and viral campaigns that drive word of mouth online. </p>
<p>I think that it is time for the PR industry to wake up and smell the coffee&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Simpson</title>
		<link>http://www.speedcommunications.com/blogs/wadds/2009/04/21/pr-probably-receding-or-potentially-revitalised/#comment-4531</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 13:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really interesting, both the article and the responses.  I&#039;ve heard more than once, people with long careers in PR say this social media stuff is just the same thing that they&#039;ve been doing for years, only with different technology and jargon.

The principles - talk about something interest, talk to the right people, network with influencers and opinion formers - it&#039;s all exactly the same as it&#039;s ever been.

I&#039;m probably looking at it in more of a relaxed way than some people as I&#039;m not actually from a PR background.  I&#039;ve taken a long and winding road from journalism, through product marketing, to PR at a search agency and there are so many overlaps, it has been a pretty seamless transition..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting, both the article and the responses.  I&#8217;ve heard more than once, people with long careers in PR say this social media stuff is just the same thing that they&#8217;ve been doing for years, only with different technology and jargon.</p>
<p>The principles &#8211; talk about something interest, talk to the right people, network with influencers and opinion formers &#8211; it&#8217;s all exactly the same as it&#8217;s ever been.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably looking at it in more of a relaxed way than some people as I&#8217;m not actually from a PR background.  I&#8217;ve taken a long and winding road from journalism, through product marketing, to PR at a search agency and there are so many overlaps, it has been a pretty seamless transition..</p>
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		<title>By: The great game / we are social</title>
		<link>http://www.speedcommunications.com/blogs/wadds/2009/04/21/pr-probably-receding-or-potentially-revitalised/#comment-4530</link>
		<dc:creator>The great game / we are social</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 16:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Much to my delight, the PR industry seems to be taking a very myopic view of the current state of play (as evidenced by PR Week’s coverage of the event). It fails to realise that there is a great game afoot, one that involves all of the advertising and marketing industry, that will be merciless on those that fail to adapt. [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Much to my delight, the PR industry seems to be taking a very myopic view of the current state of play (as evidenced by PR Week’s coverage of the event). It fails to realise that there is a great game afoot, one that involves all of the advertising and marketing industry, that will be merciless on those that fail to adapt. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Speed Communications Blogs</title>
		<link>http://www.speedcommunications.com/blogs/wadds/2009/04/21/pr-probably-receding-or-potentially-revitalised/#comment-4529</link>
		<dc:creator>Speed Communications Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from a slightly different point of view then Wadds and Roger Warner has an interesting write up here and here.    Posted in BizComms Tags: #prdebate, NMK, Online PR  You can follow any responses to [...] </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from a slightly different point of view then Wadds and Roger Warner has an interesting write up here and here.    Posted in BizComms Tags: #prdebate, NMK, Online PR  You can follow any responses to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Speed Communications - Wadd&#039;s PR Blog &#171; Public Relation</title>
		<link>http://www.speedcommunications.com/blogs/wadds/2009/04/21/pr-probably-receding-or-potentially-revitalised/#comment-4528</link>
		<dc:creator>Speed Communications - Wadd&#039;s PR Blog &#171; Public Relation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Becky McMichael</title>
		<link>http://www.speedcommunications.com/blogs/wadds/2009/04/21/pr-probably-receding-or-potentially-revitalised/#comment-4527</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky McMichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Wadds and I was weeping blood about this issue over the weekend for three reasons.....

1) when people say, &quot;traditional PR&quot; they mean media relations.  If that was all an agency was doing anyway (ie not building advocacy through heaps of different methods to reach ALL markets) then yes,  they are probably screwed.  Just like if you only do hard copy direct mail or only sell print advertising, you might want to look at expanding into new areas.

2) digital is a way of reaching people...you can learn how to do it pretty easily.  So can everyone else.  It is a way of reaching your communities who by the way, are there anyway, PR agencies just need to help their clients figure a way of joining them and talking to them.  Then persuade them to take what they hear and learn from it.  

3) What are PR skills anyway? In my opinion, the skill still lies in being able to tease out the interesting stories and narrative from the river of marketing outpourings that every company produces.  Sounds easy? It isn&#039;t.   Then we need to help people be able to understand it, see why it fits into the wider world and increasingly, to find it.  That is not just about platforms or applications or tweeting with your little toes. It is about knwoing what makes a story and a memorable and remarkable story where possible.  

I think the real threat are the people who don&#039;t get it and you find them everywhere :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Wadds and I was weeping blood about this issue over the weekend for three reasons&#8230;..</p>
<p>1) when people say, &#8220;traditional PR&#8221; they mean media relations.  If that was all an agency was doing anyway (ie not building advocacy through heaps of different methods to reach ALL markets) then yes,  they are probably screwed.  Just like if you only do hard copy direct mail or only sell print advertising, you might want to look at expanding into new areas.</p>
<p>2) digital is a way of reaching people&#8230;you can learn how to do it pretty easily.  So can everyone else.  It is a way of reaching your communities who by the way, are there anyway, PR agencies just need to help their clients figure a way of joining them and talking to them.  Then persuade them to take what they hear and learn from it.  </p>
<p>3) What are PR skills anyway? In my opinion, the skill still lies in being able to tease out the interesting stories and narrative from the river of marketing outpourings that every company produces.  Sounds easy? It isn&#8217;t.   Then we need to help people be able to understand it, see why it fits into the wider world and increasingly, to find it.  That is not just about platforms or applications or tweeting with your little toes. It is about knwoing what makes a story and a memorable and remarkable story where possible.  </p>
<p>I think the real threat are the people who don&#8217;t get it and you find them everywhere <img src='http://www.speedcommunications.com/blogs/wadds/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif?12345' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.speedcommunications.com/blogs/wadds/2009/04/21/pr-probably-receding-or-potentially-revitalised/#comment-4526</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m as optimistic as the ever optimistic Mr Brain. Our experience is that yes spend is slowing down, but it&#039;s not stopping and it doesn&#039;t appear to be at the expense of the PR industry. We&#039;re even seeing people put more resource into PR (not a lot!), as they are cutting back on ad spend (a lot!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m as optimistic as the ever optimistic Mr Brain. Our experience is that yes spend is slowing down, but it&#8217;s not stopping and it doesn&#8217;t appear to be at the expense of the PR industry. We&#8217;re even seeing people put more resource into PR (not a lot!), as they are cutting back on ad spend (a lot!).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Fabretti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Fabretti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Wadds. Adds an air of common sense to my inane ramblings below:

http://blendingthemix.com/2009/04/09/supplier-side-social-media-services-time-to-shape-up-part-i/

As you&#039;ll see from the above, I&#039;d been looking at the same issue, albeit from the angle of the digital/tech agency who were trying to move into your and David&#039;s spaces. I certainly feel that there is a land-grab of sorts around social media by tech and pr - and that ultimately, the successful firms will be the ones who can integrate the two most successfully.

I am a firm believer that the technology is fast (if not already) becoming commoditised and as such, the onus will be on *someone* to manage, nurture and build upon the relationships the technology has put in place. How many tech agencies can offer that kind of relationship building?

Equally, is it taking things too far to only recruit people who are both social media/pr AND tech savvy? Is that sustainable as a recruitment policy or will there be enough of these types of people emerging onto the market in, say 5 years to make it a basic requirement from someone entering the industry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Wadds. Adds an air of common sense to my inane ramblings below:</p>
<p><a href="http://blendingthemix.com/2009/04/09/supplier-side-social-media-services-time-to-shape-up-part-i/" rel="nofollow">http://blendingthemix.com/2009/04/09/supplier-side-social-media-services-time-to-shape-up-part-i/</a></p>
<p>As you&#8217;ll see from the above, I&#8217;d been looking at the same issue, albeit from the angle of the digital/tech agency who were trying to move into your and David&#8217;s spaces. I certainly feel that there is a land-grab of sorts around social media by tech and pr &#8211; and that ultimately, the successful firms will be the ones who can integrate the two most successfully.</p>
<p>I am a firm believer that the technology is fast (if not already) becoming commoditised and as such, the onus will be on *someone* to manage, nurture and build upon the relationships the technology has put in place. How many tech agencies can offer that kind of relationship building?</p>
<p>Equally, is it taking things too far to only recruit people who are both social media/pr AND tech savvy? Is that sustainable as a recruitment policy or will there be enough of these types of people emerging onto the market in, say 5 years to make it a basic requirement from someone entering the industry?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It figures there is now a greater need for economies of scale. The thing is, given the combined tier-1 client list for the two agencies, I can’t help but think keeping all those competing clients happy under one roof is going to be like sticking half a dozen feral cats in a sack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It figures there is now a greater need for economies of scale. The thing is, given the combined tier-1 client list for the two agencies, I can’t help but think keeping all those competing clients happy under one roof is going to be like sticking half a dozen feral cats in a sack.</p>
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